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		<title>Lfox at 18:22, 4 June 2025</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 18:22, 4 June 2025&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l20&quot;&gt;Line 20:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There&amp;#039;s no such thing as the state&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There&amp;#039;s no such thing as the state&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;aosdfjoasd&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;ok here&#039;s my idea:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;what if it were the case that to predict the future of something, you need to know not just where it is now, but what its trajectory has been for the past hour?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Lfox</name></author>
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		<title>Lfox: /* The nature of time */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;The nature of time&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l17&quot;&gt;Line 17:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Obviously, I can&amp;#039;t paint a precise picture of what it looks like when this picture breaks down. If I could, I would be the next Isaac Newton. But to jog the reader&amp;#039;s imagination, I will concoct a fictional story:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Obviously, I can&amp;#039;t paint a precise picture of what it looks like when this picture breaks down. If I could, I would be the next Isaac Newton. But to jog the reader&amp;#039;s imagination, I will concoct a fictional story:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Suppose we have a system consisting of many parts that are moving independently. Each part alternates between going through some fixed motion which takes time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\tau&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; to complete, and doing nothing at all. The parts act asynchronously. Next, I want to say what the state of the system is at time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;t= 0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, but I can&#039;t do that, because I&#039;m keeping firmly in mind the fact that such a thing is an idealization.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Suppose we have a system consisting of many parts that are moving independently. Each part alternates between going through some fixed motion which takes time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\tau&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; to complete, and doing nothing at all. The parts act asynchronously&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, by which I mean they aren&#039;t all moving at the same time. Oops&lt;/ins&gt;. Next, I want to say what the state of the system is at time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;t= 0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, but I can&#039;t do that, because I&#039;m keeping firmly in mind the fact that such a thing is an idealization.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There&amp;#039;s no such thing as the state&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;There&amp;#039;s no such thing as the state&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Lfox: Created page with &quot;The aim of this essay is to argue against the metaphysical picture of the block universe. I&#039;m writing this for people like Andrei, who recognize that there is some sort of contradiction with determinism, but have no clue how to reconcile it with what we know about physics.   Maybe I should title it &quot;the arrogance of modern physics.&quot; It&#039;s so ridiculous for them to say we know everything except for like dark matter and confinement and quantum gravity and times earlier than...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2025-05-29T17:28:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;The aim of this essay is to argue against the metaphysical picture of the block universe. I&amp;#039;m writing this for people like Andrei, who recognize that there is some sort of contradiction with determinism, but have no clue how to reconcile it with what we know about physics.   Maybe I should title it &amp;quot;the arrogance of modern physics.&amp;quot; It&amp;#039;s so ridiculous for them to say we know everything except for like dark matter and confinement and quantum gravity and times earlier than...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;The aim of this essay is to argue against the metaphysical picture of the block universe. I&amp;#039;m writing this for people like Andrei, who recognize that there is some sort of contradiction with determinism, but have no clue how to reconcile it with what we know about physics. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe I should title it &amp;quot;the arrogance of modern physics.&amp;quot; It&amp;#039;s so ridiculous for them to say we know everything except for like dark matter and confinement and quantum gravity and times earlier than the first 10^-47 seconds of the Big Bang. Everything else is jUsT aN eNgInEeRiNg pRoBlEm. &lt;br /&gt;
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I&amp;#039;m only going to cover classical physics in this essay. Quantum physics makes everything way more confusing, and I don&amp;#039;t think it ultimately would be relevant for the key points of my argument. &lt;br /&gt;
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== The first initial condition ==&lt;br /&gt;
Physics doesn&amp;#039;t explain the Big Bang  &lt;br /&gt;
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== The nature of time ==&lt;br /&gt;
Time is motion. A measurement of how much time has passed is a quantitative identification of how much motion has happened. To say &amp;quot;it has been 30 seconds&amp;quot; is to say that the second hand has moved halfway across the clock.&lt;br /&gt;
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In reality, there is no such thing as an instant in time. No one has ever observed one, and no one ever could even in principle. An instant is an &amp;#039;&amp;#039;idealization&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, corresponding to an arbitrarily small amount of motion. This idealization is clearly useful for many things, but no one knows precisely what its domain of validity is. &lt;br /&gt;
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A corollary of the above is that in reality, there is no such thing as &amp;#039;&amp;#039;the state of a physical system&amp;#039;&amp;#039; at some instant in time. Again, the concept of an instantaneous state is a useful idealization, but its domain of validity remains unclear. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Obviously, I can&amp;#039;t paint a precise picture of what it looks like when this picture breaks down. If I could, I would be the next Isaac Newton. But to jog the reader&amp;#039;s imagination, I will concoct a fictional story:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Suppose we have a system consisting of many parts that are moving independently. Each part alternates between going through some fixed motion which takes time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\tau&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; to complete, and doing nothing at all. The parts act asynchronously. Next, I want to say what the state of the system is at time &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;t= 0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, but I can&amp;#039;t do that, because I&amp;#039;m keeping firmly in mind the fact that such a thing is an idealization. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There&amp;#039;s no such thing as the state&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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