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Let <math>f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math>, and let <math>\epsilon : \mathbb{Q}</math> be positive. We define <math>\Delta_\epsilon f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math> by<math display="block">(\Delta_\epsilon f) (x) := \frac{f(x + \epsilon) - f(x)}{\epsilon}. </math>We say that <math>f</math> is '''differentiable''' if is .... [[nill]] whenever
The '''derivative''' <math>f'(x)</math>, of a differentiable function <math>f(x)</math>, is the slope of the tangent line of <math>f</math> at <math>x</math>. [TODO]
 
Note that this definition does not talk about taking a limit as epsilon goes to 0.
 
For some functions (indeed, many functions), there is a way to write <math>f'(x)</math> in terms of other known functions. That is, there is a relationship between the concept <math>f'(x)</math>, and other concepts. This need not be the case in general.
 
== Old stuff [TODO delete] ==
Let <math>f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math> be a [[function]], and let <math>\epsilon : \mathbb{Q}_{>0}</math>. I define <math>\Delta_\epsilon f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math> by<math display="block">(\Delta_\epsilon f) (x) := \frac{f(x + \epsilon) - f(x)}{\epsilon}, \quad x : \mathbb{Q}. </math>I say that <math>f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math> is '''differentiable''' at <math>x:\mathbb{Q}</math>, if <math>(\Delta_\epsilon f)(x) - (\Delta_{\epsilon'} f)(x) </math> is [[nill]] whenever <math>\epsilon, \epsilon' : \mathbb{Q}_{>0} </math> are both nill.
 
If <math>f : \mathbb{Q} \rightarrow \mathbb{Q}</math> is differentiable at <math>x:\mathbb{Q}</math>, then I define the '''derivative''' of <math>f</math> at <math>x</math> as <math>f'(x) := (\Delta_\epsilon f)(x) </math>, for some nill <math>\epsilon : \mathbb{Q}_{>0}</math>.
 
=== Criticism ===
This definition makes things way more complicated. I will demonstrate this with the following example. 
 
Let's suppose that <math>f(x) = x^3</math> so <math>(\Delta_\epsilon f)(x) = 3x^2 + 3\epsilon x + \epsilon^2 </math> and <math>(\Delta_\epsilon f - \Delta_{\epsilon'} f)(x) = 3 (\epsilon - \epsilon' )x + ( \epsilon^2 - \epsilon'^2)</math>. And let's say that we are in a context where anything with absolute value below 0.1 is nill. Let <math>\epsilon  = 0.091 </math> and <math>\epsilon' = 0.001</math>. Then <math>(\Delta_\epsilon f - \Delta_{\epsilon'} f)(x) = 0.27 x + 0.00828 </math>. This quantity is greater than 0.1, and thus non-nill, when <math>x > 0.339\overline{703}</math>, so we reach the seemingly absurd conclusion that <math>f(x) = x^3</math> is not differentiable where <math>x > 0.339\overline{703}</math>. 
 
More generally, if <math>\nu : \mathbb{Q}_{>0}</math> is the nill cutoff (where we also assume <math>\nu \leq 1</math>), then <math>f(x) = x^3</math> is only "differentiable" in the region <math display="block">-\frac{1}{3}(1 + \nu) < x < \frac{1}{3}(1 - \nu)</math>This seems like an absurd conclusion.
 
=== Polynomial derivatives ===
Somewhat interesting, but also somewhat obvious vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4jM0smS_E
 
You can get the tangent line to a polynomial without actually invoking limits. My guess is that you can also get the tangent line to a rational function somehow.

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The derivative , of a differentiable function , is the slope of the tangent line of at . [TODO]

Note that this definition does not talk about taking a limit as epsilon goes to 0.

For some functions (indeed, many functions), there is a way to write in terms of other known functions. That is, there is a relationship between the concept , and other concepts. This need not be the case in general.

Old stuff [TODO delete]

Let be a function, and let . I define by

I say that is differentiable at , if is nill whenever are both nill.

If is differentiable at , then I define the derivative of at as , for some nill .

Criticism

This definition makes things way more complicated. I will demonstrate this with the following example.

Let's suppose that so and . And let's say that we are in a context where anything with absolute value below 0.1 is nill. Let and . Then . This quantity is greater than 0.1, and thus non-nill, when , so we reach the seemingly absurd conclusion that is not differentiable where .

More generally, if is the nill cutoff (where we also assume ), then is only "differentiable" in the region

This seems like an absurd conclusion.

Polynomial derivatives

Somewhat interesting, but also somewhat obvious vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW4jM0smS_E

You can get the tangent line to a polynomial without actually invoking limits. My guess is that you can also get the tangent line to a rational function somehow.