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2) any group formed via a predicate is necessarily a subgroup of another group. [todo maybe it's already like this?] | 2) any group formed via a predicate is necessarily a subgroup of another group. [todo maybe it's already like this?] | ||
I actually don't like the term "form a set." It's vague. Really what we're doing is we are ''identifying'' sets; we are pointing to some things in reality, and saying "that's a set." | |||
=== Axiom of extensionality === | === Axiom of extensionality === | ||
This one needs to be re-worked. Sameness / identity is a relative and contextual thing, not an absolute thing. Also, there | This one needs to be re-worked. Sameness / identity is a relative and contextual thing, not an absolute thing. Also, there need not be a practical way to check that all the members of a set are the same. | ||
Quotients / identity are actually what I have to think the most about. | |||
=== Axiom of choice === | === Axiom of choice === |
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"Set" is a concept referring to an irreducible primary, and therefore can only be defined ostensively. A circular way of defining set, which may nonetheless provide some insight, is that a set is a collection of similar existents, considered together as a whole.
I will say a word about why I specify that sets must consist of "similar" existents, because this idea is foreign to standard mathematics, wherein a set could consist of any existents whatsoever. First of all, similarity requires a context; things can be similar in one context, but dissimilar in another. And if, in a given context, two things are dissimilar, then there can be no reason---in that context---to consider them together as a single set. One therefore loses nothing by specifying that sets consist of "similar" existents. What one gains by this, on the other hand, is a small reminder about the purpose of sets.
Sets are sometimes called "groups" (e.g. in ITOE), but Objective Mathematics reserves that terminology for a different concept.
Examples
A set of plates.
[TODO more]
Empty set
An empty set (not "the" empty set; see below) is one way of viewing the concept of nothing. The concept of "nothing" may seem impossible or invalid. Concepts need to have referents, and yet everything is something; there is no thing which is nothing. How can this be? ITOE explains[1]
["Nothing"] is strictly a relative concept. It pertains to the absence of some kind of concrete. The concept “nothing” is not possible except in relation to “something.” Therefore, to have the concept “nothing,” you mentally specify—in parenthesis, in effect—the absence of a something, and you conceive of “nothing” only in relation to concretes which no longer exist or which do not exist at present.
You can say “I have nothing in my pocket.” That doesn’t mean you have an entity called “nothing” in your pocket. You do not have any of the objects that could conceivably be there, such as handkerchiefs, money, gloves, or whatever. “Nothing” is strictly a concept relative to some existent [sic] concretes whose absence you denote in this form.
Examples
If one has no books on one's table, it may be said that he has an empty set of books on his table.
If there are no more days left until March 3rd, 2055 (i.e. if it is currently March 3rd, 2055), then it may be said that the set of days until March 3rd is empty.
The traditional concept
In standard mathematics, there is supposed to be a single object called "the" empty set. Most sets in standard mathematics are not unique in this manner. The empty set is called "the" empty set because it is unique up to unique isomorphism. Of course, that imaginary object is not what Objective Mathematics means by the concept of an empty set.
Nevertheless, it is sometimes valid to use the phrase "the empty set" in Objective Mathematics. It is valid in the same sense that it is valid to say "the cat" or "the car." Namely, if one has a specific empty set in mind, and wishes to refer to that empty set and not another one, he may call it "the empty set."
Relations among sets
In this section, I will describe some relations[note 1] among sets. That is, I will describe ways in which some sets (possibly along with functions between them) can be used to identify[note 2] other sets. This list is non-exhaustive.
Disjoint union
Given two sets and , the disjoint union of and , denoted as , is following set
Examples
I have two piles of books on my table. Equivalently, I could say that I have identified two sets and of books. Instead of regarding these as two distinct sets of books, I could regard them as a single set of books; instead of thinking of two piles of books on my table, I could think of all the books on my table. Equivalently, I could say that I have identified the set of all the books on my table,
Cartesian product
Given two sets and , the cartesian product of and , denoted as , is following set of pairs
Examples
The power socket on my wall has two outlets; in other words, I've identified a set of outlets. An outlet has three holes; in other words I've identified (abstractly) a set . Now, I can consider the set of all the holes in the power socket on my wall. It is
Subset
Given a set , a subset of is some of the units of , say , considered as a single set . We denote this by .
Powerset
Given a set , the powerset of , denoted , is the set consisting of all subsets of ,
Partition
Given a set , a partition of is a division of into (nonempty) disjoint subsets, such that the disjoint union of all the subsets is .
A partition of is equivalent to an equivalence relation of . [TODO explain]
Infinite sets
Objective Mathematics says that infinite sets are an invalid notion. [TODO I actually don't think I should say this. A a concept is an unbounded or infinite set. If it wasn't, then there would be no such thing as the units of a concept.] In essence, this is because an infinite set does not refer to anything that can be perceived. Unsurprisingly, this disconnection from reality causes many derivative problems for infinite sets. The concept of Objective Mathematics which is closest to that of an infinite set is that of a concept.
The traditional concept
Standard mathematics says that a set is infinite if there exist functions which are injective but not surjective.
To demonstrate how absurd this is, and how much it conflicts with real-life, consider David Hilbert's thought experiment[2] about what it would be like if a hotel had infinitely many rooms. Suppose that there is an infinite hotel, where each room has a room number . This hotel is completely full; every room is occupied. But unlike real hotels, if a new guest comes in and asks for a hotel room, the concierge can make room for him, even though the hotel is already full. The concierge need merely request that every hotel guest move to the room next door: if a guest's room number is , he should move to room number . (This is the key step: here the concierge is applying a function which is injective but not surjective). After everyone changes rooms, the hotel has space, because room number 1 is no longer occupied. Note that all of the guests still have their same room.
But what about extended objects?
There are an unlimited number of points on an extended object. It may therefore seem like there should be, for any extended object O, such a thing as "the set of all points on O." Since there are unlimited number of points on O, doesn't that mean that there is an infinite set?
To see why that is wrong, we must examine more carefully what is meant by a point. In some contexts, the concept of a point is used to identify a physical object. For example, the reader can easily identify a point in this picture [TODO]. In other contexts, the concept of a point is used to identify a location whose only distinguishing characteristic is that it is the place where one is focusing one's attention. For an example, the reader should try to focus on one specific point on a blank and featureless area of his wall.
We may now see the subtlety with the idea of "the set of all points on O." There may be some points on O which are physical, i.e. points which can be perceptually distinguished from the rest of O. But in order for such points to be perceived, they must necessarily have a finite size, so there can only be finitely many of them. As for those points on O which are non-physical, it is true that there is no limit on how many could exist. But since the concretes in question are merely objects of one's focus, rather than objects in reality, they do not actually exist until one chooses to focus. And one can only ever focus on finitely many points of O. We have thus refuted the idea that there exist infinitely many points on O.
But what about all the practical infinite sets?
Standard mathematics makes use of infinite sets, and many of those infinite sets appear to be practical. Some examples are the set of all integers, the set of all fractions, infinite sequences, etc. Objective Mathematics accepts that integers, fractions, and sequences are concepts, and useful ones at that. But it denies that integers, fractions, etc. are infinite sets.
My email to Ray 03/27/25
Ray asked me to put my problem with the diagonal argument into writing, and I think this is a good idea.
My problem is not really with the diagonal argument per se, it is with the more basic concept of infinite sets.
I want to go on a quest, where I justify set theory from the ground up. This is inspired by [TODO]
What are sets(="groups")?
The concept of "set" is getting at something similar to what Ayn Rand is getting at with the concept she calls "group" in ITOE. I think these two concepts are more or less interchangeable, though they have different connotations. For the purposes of this email, however, I will stick with the latter terminology of "group," because I want to emphasize that I am doing something independent of the way that mathematics has developed. (I don't want to stick with this terminology forever, though; I will start calling them "sets" again once I'm finished.)
"Group" is a primary concept, which cannot be reduced to more basic concepts. However, I will provide the following ostensive definition.
Definition. A group is some existents, considered together as a single whole.
Groups are concepts of consciousness, and so they are relational. Groups are things out there, as viewed particular way by a particular man.
Here is a (not necessarily exhaustive) list of some different types of groups that we might consider:
- "Discrete" groups that are finite, like the group of pencils on my desk, or the group of possible outcomes for the dice that I'm about to roll.
- "Continuous" groups, like the group of all points on the south-facing wall of my room.
- Groups coming from concepts, like the group of all referents of "banana," or the group of all referents of "natural number."
Standard mathematics conceptualizes 2 and 3 as infinite sets. However, I disagree that those groups are actually infinite. I think their finiteness follows from the law of identity (every quantity must have some quantity), but that might not be very convincing as an argument. So to make my case, I will analyze the meaning of 2 and 3 more closely.
How many points are there on my wall?
In some contexts, the concept of a point is used to identify a physical object. For example, one can easily identify a point in the picture below [TODO]. In other contexts, the concept of a point is used to identify a location whose only distinguishing characteristic is that it is the place where one is focusing one's attention, whether it be by literally "pointing" to that place (hence the name), by merely thinking of it, or by using some other means.
We now see the subtlety with the idea of "the set of all points on O." As for those points on O which are physical, they must necessarily have a finite size (otherwise we couldn't know about them in the first place), and so there can only be finitely many of them. As for those points on O which are non-physical, it is true that there is no limit on how many could exist. But since the concretes in question are merely things on which one is focusing, rather than physical objects in reality, they do not actually exist until someone focuses on them. And a man can only ever focus on finitely many points of O.
So whatever it is that we mean by "point," we see that there are only finitely many points on my wall.
How many natural numbers are there?
I gave two examples in 3: bananas, and natural numbers. I think everyone will agree that bananas
The following definition is adapted from a definition Harry gave:
A natural number is an identification of a quantity, by means of a symbol (a "numeral") whose position in a fixed sequence of those symbols is the same amount as that which is being identified.
I agree with this definition, and I have found it to be very clarifying.
Note the genus of "natural number": it is identification. Natural numbers are products of consciousness. So the
There are not infinitely many referents of "banana."
Things like 2 and 3 are what motivated infinite sets in mathematics. [TODO irrelevant delete]
One problem. Someone could ask: How many numbers are there? And the answer is: in whose mind? [TODO meh]
One problem: sets are being conceptualized as things which exist, rather than things which potentially could exist
Now, with examples like these in mind, let's ask: what fact of reality necessitates the finite / infinite distinction?
Group membership
As the above examples demonstrate, it is not always meaningful to ask "how many elements of this group are there?" But it is always meaningful to ask "is this thing a member of that group?"
To express the statement that is a member of the group , I will use the shorthand notation . (This is very similar to the set-theoretic judgement , but I shall use different notation to emphasize the difference between what I'm doing and set theory.)
Functions
Let and be groups. A function is a potential action, which, if performed on the same member of , would always produce the same member of .
so note that uh if
A function is something you could do. [TODO I expect this to be one of the most controversial parts.]
So it's totally fine to consider a function like the one that takes a natural number to its square.
Something much more confusing is like, a function which takes a length and doubles it. To be very clear about this, by a length I mean a literal property of an object, and not a number which measures that property. This function could be implemented in real life. It's not clear that it has a math description, but mainstream math models it as a function .
A function is not something you could do. Like oh yeah ok I'll take an equivalence class of Cauchy sequences and then do something with it. No, I'm not being fair.
Is a sequence something you could do? Yeah sure, with the confusing caveat that you're mapping into something with an equivalence relation. Now, a sequence could have the property that it's Cauchy, or not.
Group formation rules [analogue of ZF]
Axiom schema of specification
yeah it's fine to "form a group" according to a predicate. BUT
1) you don't need a predicate in order to "form a group." It's totally fine to just say something like "the books on my bookshelf."
2) any group formed via a predicate is necessarily a subgroup of another group. [todo maybe it's already like this?]
I actually don't like the term "form a set." It's vague. Really what we're doing is we are identifying sets; we are pointing to some things in reality, and saying "that's a set."
Axiom of extensionality
This one needs to be re-worked. Sameness / identity is a relative and contextual thing, not an absolute thing. Also, there need not be a practical way to check that all the members of a set are the same.
Quotients / identity are actually what I have to think the most about.
Axiom of choice
Bullshit.
Axiom of infinity
Bullshit.
Powerset axiom
I think this is true. If it wasn't true, then it wouldn't make sense to think of "A is a subset of B" as meaning "A is (a subset of B)." Like the noun phrase in parentheses wouldn't make sense.
Other axioms
????
It's not true that for any rule, we can for
One criticism that someone might have is like
"okay yeah fine infinite sets don't exist. But they're getting at something real, so what's the actual practical problem that arises from using them anyway?" I don't need to answer that criticism in this essay.
That's a reasonable question to ask.
In this section I will argue that
I will say that a set is infinite if there exists a function which is injective but not surjective.
Hmm that's actually a very interesting definition.
Practically speaking, there actually are things like that. Like imagine if f is sort of like, a machine that takes in bananas and plants them and makes new bananas
Like imagine we're homesteading the Wild West. The Wild West is finite, but it's so unfathomably large that we don't actually have to worry about running out of room, even though we aren't building any houses in the exact same spot.